Wednesday, 21 November 2007

The Koran and the Talmud

Not being one to duck controversy or skip a lively debate, I have drawn upon an Identity article by Brother Darren Howard over at UCOY blog in order to illustrate why we should not turn our attention away from one issue and focus entirely upon another. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, of that there is no doubt but it behooves us not to forget that our present predicament is not without substantive cause. There are key elements at work, like symbiotic pernicious pathogens necrotizing the very body of white western European civilization. Judaism, Islam and Jewdeo christianity. One is the disease the others merely symptoms. Make up your own mind which is most or least inimical to our interests. How many have actually read the Koran, the Talmud or even the Bible beyond the same parroted misquoted extracontextual media paste jobs to a level which qualifies them to make informative commentary. I tell you it's all smoke and mirrors.

The Koran and the Talmud by Brother Darren Howard:

There is and has been for some time, an agenda which seeks to align Christendom with with the vilest of those who genuinely despise us and our Messiah, while simultaneously putting us at odds with those who, while not worshiping Christ, do at least revere Him and are sympathetic to our beliefs. The majority of jewdeo christianity has been so dupped and manipulated that no one truly knows who exactly teaches what concerning our Savior.

The world view of most "christians" is shaped not by diligent study but by the media, which quite frankly in this day and time includes the so-called " church". For many, many years, movies and television have portrayed those of the muslim faith in a constantly growing negative light and as being complete hatred against our faith. Meanwhile those same media entities portray jews in a glowing benevolent aura, lovable and our best friends.

DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING! I am in no way attempting to portray muslims as worshippers of Jesus Christ. They do not worship Him. However, I am also not going to villanize them through misrepresenting the facts. I believe in Yahoshua the Messiah, that He is Yahweh in the flesh, and I DO NOT promote any religion which doesn't. But the sad fact is, events on the world stage are much more complicated than they are represented. Christian bookstores are filled with lies, falsehoods and downright heresies because authors and ministers are not identifying who the real enemies of the world are.

Now to properly do this, we have to look at the basis for each belief. The basis for belief in Islam is the Koran. Obviously many muslims interpret the Koran in different ways. Not to mention other writings that have crept into their religion.However, we are looking at the Koran, the central core of muslim belief.

At the same time, the core of jewish faith is the Babylonian Talmud. While jews often hold up the Torah as their core, this just isn't true. The Babylonian Talmud is. According to their teaching, Moses came down from Mt. Horeb with 2 laws; the written law and the oral law. Now understand this wasn't taught until after a remnant of Judah, Benjamin and Levi returned from Babylonian Captivity, along with some non-Israelites. Some of these brought back the beginnings of this oral tradition story.

By the time Christ was on the earth and the geographical area of Judea, which was ruled by a non-Israelite [ Herod, an Edomite or Idumean], and the temple worship having been taken over by these same Idumeans, this oral tradition was called the traditions of the elders.. A few hundred years after the destruction of Jeruselem, the oral tradition was finally written down into what is now called the Babylonian Talmud. The Talmud is what guides jewish thought and has for thousands of years now. This is what we will be examining.

Now let's look at what both teachings have to say about Mary, the mother of Jesus.


Surah III verses 45-47:"And remember when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from Him whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the word and the hereafter and one of those brought near unto Allah...And she said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So it will be! Allah createth what He will. If He decree a thing He saith unto it, Be! and it is!

Surah XIX vs. 20-21: "How can I have a son when no mortal hath touched me, neither hath I been unchaste?...And it will be that we make of him a revelation and a mercy from us."

In fact the whole of Surah XIX is called " Mary" and is an account of Christs' birth, which is attributed to Divine creation. So obviously, according to the Koran, Mary was a chaste pure woman, given a son from Allah himself.


Kallah,1 b[18b]: "...The day I was married I was having menstruation, and because of this my husband left me. But an evil spirit came and lay with me and from this intercourse a son was born to me." This narrative also appears in the narrative "Todath Jeschu-The Generations of Jesus."
Sanhedrin 67a: Mary is called Strada, a prostitute who leaves her husband and commits adultery.

Sanhedrin 106a-b:"...She who played the harlot with carpenters."
Wow! Christ could have been the offspring of evil spirits or one of several different fathers, conceived during menstruation? So what about Christ Himself?
Koran. Surah II v. 62:" and we gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs of Allah's sovereignty and we supported him with the holy spirit."
:v111" We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us, and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ismael, and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes and that Moses and JESUS received..."

Surrah V vs. 110:" when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary,remember my favor unto thee and unto thy mother, how I strengthened thee with the holy spirit.."
Surrah XLII vs. 63:" When Jesus came with clear proofs of Allah's soverignty, he said: I have come unto thee with wisdom."

Surrah LVII vs. 27:" and we caused Jesus son of Mary to follow, and gave him the gospel and placed compassion and mercy in the hearts of his followers." And also concerning Christs death and resurection it is written Surrah IV vs. 157: And because of their saying ; we slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary... They have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture...But Allah took him up unto Himself...and on the Dar of Resurection he will be a witness against them."

Wonder What the Talmud Says?

I'm not going to quote some of this because its just disgusting but in brief Sanhedrin 105a and Exhs 106-7: Jesus committed beastiality with his donkey, corrupted the people and is burned in hell.

Sanhedrin 107b, Eyh 117 and Jewish Encyclopedia Exh 277: Jesus attempts to seduce a woman, is excommunicated by a rabbi and then worships a brick, was a seducer of Israel and practiced magic.

Beth Jacobh 127a.. " The Magi, before thy left Egypt, took special care not to put them in writing best other peoples might come to learn it. But he devised a new way by which he inscribed it on his skin or made cuts in his skin and inserted it there..." As you can guess Jesus' resurrection is a non-issue, So what does the Talmud teach happened?
First of all the Talmud teaches that Christ received not one but five deaths; He was stoned then crucified (Sanhedrin 43a-45b, Exds. 46, 48 Sanh. 67a Exh. 75); Lowered into dung up to his armpits then strangled until a lit wick was shoved down his throat so his bowels were burned and then had molten lead poured into his mouth. Sanhedrin 52a 106b Exh 52 151 274 114 Yebamoth 6b; After all this his eternity is to be boiled in hot excrement or semen, Gittin 57a Exh 202

This is sick people. So now that we know how our Savior is viewed by the Koran and the Talmud, how are we the followers of Christ viewed?


Surah II : 62 " and those who are Jews and christians and Sabeans - Whoever believes in Allah and The last day and doth right- Surely their reward is with their Lord and there shall no fear come upon them..."

Surah V: 82 : " And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe ( Muslims)...Who say! Lo! We are Christians... " ( IN other words devout Christians are considered to be closest to muslims in morality)

And now, a word from the Talmud.

Abodah Zacah (26b): Heretics, traitors and apostates are to be thrown into a well and not rescued.

Iore Dea (158,1) The Akum (Christians) are not to be cured, even for money, unless it would incure their enmity.

Zohar (I, 131a ) " Idolatrous people (Christians) however since they exist befoul the world, because their souls came out of the unclean side.

Eben Haezer (44,8) : If a jew enters into a marriage with an Akum ( Christian) ...the marriage is null. For they are not capable of entering into matrimony."
Iore Dea (198,48) Hazah: When jewish women come out of a bath, they must take care to meet a friend first, and not something unclean on a christian. For if so a woman if she wants to keep holy, should go back and bathe again."

Peruseh 28c: And be it known that Christian people who follow Jesus, although their teachings vary, are all worshippers of idols. ( Abhodah Zarak)."
There is so much more, but it only gets sicker and more disgusting as you study it. So after just this brief study it.

Don't you find it odd how Koranic muslims are at the point of Christendom's spear, while Christ and christianity hating Jews and Israelis are considered some kind of "brethren"?

It is time to question why we believe what we believe.

It is time to examine ourselves and see where we stand.

Make every week jew muslim jewdeo christian awareness week.

Pip pip


najistani said...

The Talmud is cryptic, and open to interpretation

Wherever you find two of three Jooooooooooz gathered together you will find six or seven totally irreconcilable points of view.

The Koran is not cryptic and is not open to interpretation. Try googling for 'koran abrogation' or 'meccan medinan koran'

All the early fluffy Methodist Buddhist Anglican Quaker Interfaith kumbaya suras quoted from the Koran are 'abrogated' by KILL THE UNBELIEVERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM.
...and that includes you!

najistani said...

Further to my previous comment, let's assume for the sake of argument that all the insulting stuff in the Talmud does indeed refer to Jesus.

Which is the most damaging to Christianity?

(1) Statements such as "Jesus committed beastiality with his donkey, corrupted the people and is burned in hell. Jesus attempts to seduce a woman, is excommunicated by a rabbi and then worships a brick, was a seducer of Israel and practiced magic."


(2) The Muslim veneration of Jesus as a prophet?

Exhibit (1) is a silly childish rant which will either annoy Christians or just make them laugh.

Exhibit (2) is far more subtle and devious in the way it undermines Christianity. Jesus is indeed regarded as a prophet, but a second-rate one who brought an incomplete and corrupted message from Allah. Mohammed is the final 'seal of the prophets' who brought the correct and complete message in the form of the Koran.

The ramifications of (2) are huge, but one example will suffice. Remember how Jesus effectively forbade stoning ("Let him who is without sin cast the first stone") ? Well Jesus, being an imperfect prophet was WRONG. Mohammed set things right when he reintroduced stoning and made it the major spectator sport in places like Iran that it continues to be till today.

Now maybe I've got my stereotypes mixed up, but I always thought that the Joooooooooz were supposed to be the clever, devious ones and the Muslims the angry, idiotic ranters.